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The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World



We hear so often about Muslims as victims of abuse in the West and combatants in the Arab Spring’s fight against tyranny. But, in fact, a wholly different kind of war is underway—an unrecognized battle costing thousands of lives. Christians are being killed in the Islamic world because of their religion. It is a rising genocide that ought to provoke global alarm.




The portrayal of Muslims as victims or heroes is at best partially accurate. In recent years the violent oppression of Christian minorities has become the norm in Muslim-majority nations stretching from West Africa and the Middle East to South Asia and Oceania. In some countries it is governments and their agents that have burned churches and imprisoned parishioners. In others, rebel groups and vigilantes have taken matters into their own hands, murdering Christians and driving them from regions where their roots go back centuries.

But a fair-minded assessment of recent events and trends leads to the conclusion that the scale and severity of Islamophobia pales in comparison with the bloody Christophobia currently coursing through Muslim-majority nations from one end of the globe to the other. The conspiracy of silence surrounding this violent expression of religious intolerance has to stop. Nothing less than the fate of Christianity—and ultimately of all religious minorities—in the Islamic world is at stake.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/05/ayaan-hirsi-ali-the-global-war-on-christians-in-the-muslim-world.html


More and more the knowledgeable world is coming to understand that Islam is not a peace religion. It’s the only world religion that espouses killing off everyone who does not regard Allah as deity. Buddhism and Hinduism do not set forth the slaughter of non-adherents. Jews and Christians do not seek to obliterate all those not in agreement with their faiths. With that, Islam does intend to clear the Earth of non-Muslims.

IN THE LAST 25 YEARS what has there been more of:


christians killing muslims or

muslims killing christians


around the world?

another idiotic, pointless argument from bert...does it really matter which side is more efficient at killing???

does it really matter which side is more efficient at killing???>>


The Muslim's are far more efficient..

they have lots more practice.

again does it really matter who's more efficient, idiot?

>The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World


Copy editor to aisle 8, stat.

gee, anything else written by Ayaan Hirsi Ali would have you lefties drooling & rolling around on the floor like you were having a seizure or something.

typical.

this is a problem for the lefties..


The Muslims killing Christians is okay for the lefty..

the problem is... these Christians are Black..

killing Black Christians confuses them..


Killing White Christians is cool..especially when the Muslims do the killing..

Killing White Rich Christians is a dream come true..


its confusing for them...

^^Killing White Christians is cool..especially when the Muslims do the killing..

Killing White Rich Christians is a dream come true..


WTF is wrong with you?

WTF is wrong with you?

He's delusional. typical righty. Hillman is not far off from being Bert either.

i was being sarcastic gregg.


does the slaughter of Christians by Muslims upset you?

would Christians killing Muslims be worse?

WTF is wrong with you?

Why would you think I would be in favor of anyone killing anyone?

You are seriously disturbed.

here's an enlightening article on this issue, taken from a Canadian newspaper:

These protests are not really about religion, as offensive as it is to burn any holy book. They’re about poor, disenfranchised people expressing anger over lack of progress and security and finding an easy vehicle for that rage.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opini on/afghanistans-true-outrage/article2351780/

N THE LAST 25 YEARS what has there been more of:


christians killing muslims or

muslims killing christians


around the world?

again, why is this question even irrelevant????

the thread title is 'global war on christians in the muslim world' when in fact its equally, or in the case of # of dead people, even moreso a 'global war on muslims in the christian world'

i see your point. To me it seems that if you are to claim that Christians are more violent than Muslims you're diverting attention away from Muslim atrocities. And the opposite also holds true.

Why can't we just say that both sides kill in the name religion and that's wrong? And then begin to investigate why this is the case. That seems to be far more constructive to bringing peace than demonizing one and exalting the other.....

not diverting away ..just seeing both sides as wrong and fucked up.


we actually agree on this.

>>>N THE LAST 25 YEARS what has there been more of:


christians killing muslims or

muslims killing christians

Probably

Muslims killing Muslims

and Christians killing Christians

They have been killing each other since the dawn of time. I see nothing that would stop that now.

Bert just believes that the killing of people he doesn't like is justified, but the killing of people he likes is an Obama conspiracy.

>>>>Ayaan Hirsi Ali

who?

muslims living in a primitive savage society..

will always be a problem..





"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force". - John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829:


“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism”. - Winston Churchill, wrote in 1899:

Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini from 1942:

>>>Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!

I believe this is the passage that sums it all up. Kill them before they kill you. If you read the old testement, it is chock full of references of Jews killing arabs, persian and other indiginous peoples in the name of God. Do you think this would lead to a group of people who would think, "I have to kill them before they kill me". There is history to both arguments. (see Crusades 1,2,3). I believe the Koran was written after Palestinians were slaughtered wholesale by the Jews and Christians. Seems like they might need to adopt a "pre-emptive" plan.

I am not saying what is being done is justified, far from it. But things like this do not exist in a vacuum. It has thousands of years of bloody history on both sides.

Seems to me that Israel is more than content to bomb or kill Muslims when they feel threatened (see the saber rattling with Iran).

I am not justifying killing in the name of religion on either side of the fence, but trying to paint one side as blameless is incredibly naive.

nice quotes there, bert. All from the 19th and mid 20th century. And what exactly makes john quincy adams an authority on muslims? And if muslim ideology so evil, why are most muslims not?

Yeah, Churchill wasn't a Koran expert either.

If you read the old testement, it is chock full of references of Jews killing arabs,


******************ALERT*******************


special alert message to dan..

this is 2012 AD


and the primitive Muslims are slaughtering people all over the world in the name of Islam..

beheadings
bombings
stonings
burnings


savage beings lost in a violent religion.

Yep, it is 2012AD. And people are still killing each other. How long ago did the Irish Catholics and Protestants stop killing each other? And that is two Christian groups working on ethnic cleansing.

How many Jewish bombs were dropped on Lebanon a year or two ago? How many killed in Uganda? My point is, perhaps the 1% of Muslims who interpret their scripture that way are violent and loud. So are the Christians killing abortion doctors and protesting at soldiers funerals. Those are a minority of Christians you say, that would be my point. This is a very small minority of Muslims. There are over 1 Billion Muslims in the world. If they all felt the way you are depicting them, none of the rest of us would be here to tell you that you're wrong.

>>>primitive Muslims

You do understand that you negate your own argument when using this sort of racist language right?

>>>savage beings lost in a violent religion.

You make me ill Bert.

Also you were talking about the Koran and Islam in a historical context (old quotes) so if you look at the Koran in a historical context, you might just be able to see why some things were written the way they were considering the oppression of the times.

and the primitive americans have slaughtered more people all over the world than the primitive muslims, in the name of america, and freedom, and oil.

"this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile."

-George W "Foot in Mouth" Bush Sept 16, 2001

Thanks Headlight, I forgot about that freudian slip.

>By mr Benson (Bert) on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 05:27 pm: Edit Post
If you read the old testement, it is chock full of references of Jews killing arabs, <

If you're so obsessed with who's better at killing who at least have an honest discussion about it and also recognize that Jews are killing Palestinians today.

but, konlesh, according to newt gingrich (with no public dispute from the other republican candidates) the palestinians are an 'invented people' they're not even real....

'invented people' >>

they are Arab people..

left in squalor and misery disregarded by their loving Muslim brothers..pawns

bert, do you know what it means to be an 'arab' ?

left in squalor and misery disregarded by their loving earthly brothers

fixed it for you, Bert.

disregarded by their loving earthly brothers >>


you mean the loving arab brothers that teach their kids to kill their Jewish brothers..


Hamas TV: “Killing Jews An Act Of Worship” — With Allah’s Teachings “We Harvest The Skulls Of The Jews”…


fixed it for you, Bert.>>>

Fixed it ?

try fixing your head

bert, can you please define arab for us?

Bert can only see this from one point of view (like most things). He only wants acknowledgement for his hatred.

speaking of hatred...


“Saving Face”: Horrific Acid Attacks Target Women in Pakistan


Every year in Pakistan around 150 women are victims of acid attacks, horrific incidents where liquid acid is thrown on their face, leaving them permanently scared and disfigured.

Many are left without access to proper medical care, while those that do have access often require up to 20 surgeries to properly treat the damage.

In truth, the number of victims is likely much higher than those reported as many are attacks are typically carried out by someone close to them, such as a disgruntled husband or suitor looking for revenge.

According to filmmaker Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, who just won the Academy Award for the short form documentary "Saving Face", "If a man wants to take on a second wife but his first wife doesn't want him to, he says, right I'll just throw acid on her face and get rid of her, so she'll spend the rest of her life in and out of hospitals."

It's been difficult for advocates of women's rights in Pakistan to combat the attacks since many go unreported, while attackers that are caught, are often let go with minimal punishment from the state.

2 more US troops killed by Afghan partners as anti-Americanism rages following Quran burning




KABUL, Afghanistan — Two U.S. troops were gunned down by two Afghan soldiers and an accomplice Thursday, the latest of six American service members killed by their Afghan partners since the burning of Muslim holy books at a U.S. base last week sent anti-Americanism soaring in a nation that has long distrusted foreigners.

The killings come at a time when international troops have stepped up training and mentoring of Afghan soldiers, police and government workers so the Afghans can take the lead and the foreign forces go home. Success of the partnership, the focus of the U.S.-led coalition’s exit strategy, is threatened by a rising number of Afghan police and soldiers — or militants disguised in their uniforms — who are turning their guns on their foreign allies.

The latest victims were killed on a joint U.S.-Afghan base in Zhari district of southern Kandahar province by two Afghan soldiers and Afghan civilian literacy instructor who fired from a sentry tower, according to U.S. and Afghan officials. NATO forces shot and killed two of the assailants, apparently the soldiers, said Pentagon press secretary George Little.

On Feb. 25, two U.S. military advisers were found dead with shots to the back of the head inside the Afghan Interior Ministry in Kabul. Two U.S. troops were killed Feb. 23 by an Afghan soldier during an anti-Western protest over the Quran burning.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/g unmen-including-1-believed-to-be-afghan-soldier-ki ll-2-nato-troops-alliance-says/2012/03/01/gIQAz9V4 jR_story.html

Bert celebrates murder and disfigurement.

Why is he so happy when horrible things happen?

Once again, Bert can only see one side of an issue.

Saw that documentary on the face doctors. They are doing miraculous work to help these poor abused women.

No one is denying these things happen Bert and they are awful. You should go over there and stop them.